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[Kessler]

паладильник реабилитирован 

Сам в шоке. В 2016 не работал, а тут бац и 2017 и тоже в движке многое зашито, аки в BG.

[Senka]

К сожалению, в аддоне 5-го уровня вора не хватает для ловушек, приходится постоянно пить бутылки. Мага тоже надо дальше 3-го уровня файтера потянуть, чтобы хитов побольше было ))  И никак не решу, что для него лучше: более убойный и быстрый лук, но без щита, или тормозящий слинг, но со щитом? Постоянно же кастить бессмысленно.

[Kessler]

К сожалению, в аддоне 5-го уровня вора не хватает для ловушек, приходится постоянно пить бутылки.

Мага тоже надо дальше 3-го уровня файтера потянуть, чтобы хитов побольше было )) И никак не решу, что для него лучше: более убойный и быстрый лук, но без щита, или тормозящий слинг, но со щитом? Постоянно же кастить бессмысленно.

Конкретное место назови и 95% в ловушках у вора есть или что-то с пенальти носишь? Никаких проблем быть не может, так как это проверяемый максимум.

Слинг магофайтеру лучше не надо, там ещё и атака меньше. Слинг - удел клиров и раскукливающихся, ну и танку можно - начинать встречу с партийного залпа, но лучше нерандомный топор. У меня в юбилейное прохождение маг (в девичестве файтер 9) шинковал всех мечиком со щитом под обкастом, а по ситуации брал лук. Есть хорошие рандомные в начале игры - прошёл с ними до конца. Стоунскин, миррор имэдж и хаста - для полного контакта (и блюр в виде пояса), а если именно кастить, а не обкастовывать, то в аддоне хорошо показывает себя по толпам туман смерти и увядание.

ЗЫ А я тут с Heart of Fury Mode решил переиграть. Только добрался сквозь гоблинов (та ещё прогулочка была... пока кастеры не стали собственно кастерами) до Кулдахара. Вор ещё в Истхэвэне раскуклился (вор 4/файтер 7), один маг и клерик уже сдуалились на 7 уровне файтера и взяли по 5 уровней, ну и ещё один будущий маг всё ещё файтер 7 (на 13 сдуалим).

ЗЗЫ Вот, все ловушки скриптом дёрнул в разрезе арий:

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AR1105.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 95 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR1105.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 95 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR1105.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 95 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR1105.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 95 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR1105.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 6 ; trap detection difficulty = 95 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR1200.ARE ; region name = Quest Trigger 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR1201.ARE ; region name = Quest Trigger 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR1201.ARE ; region name = Quest Trigger 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR1201.ARE ; region name = Quest Trigger 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR2001.ARE ; region name = Attack ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR3101.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR3101.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 10 ; trap removal difficulty = 10
AR3101.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 10 ; trap removal difficulty = 10
AR3101.ARE ; region name = Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 10 ; trap removal difficulty = 10
AR3201.ARE ; container name = Sarcophagus 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3201.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR3201.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 10 ; trap removal difficulty = 10
AR3301.ARE ; container name = Sarcophagus ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3301.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 10 ; trap removal difficulty = 10
AR3401.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3401.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; container name = Offering Box ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; container name = Offering Box ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; container name = Sarcophagus ; trap detection difficulty = 25 ; trap removal difficulty = 25
AR3501.ARE ; door name = AR3501Door7Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Ramp1 Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Ramp2 Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Ramp3 Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
AR3501.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 15 ; trap removal difficulty = 15
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AR3502.ARE ; region name = Crypt Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 1 ; trap removal difficulty = 1
AR3502.ARE ; region name = Crypt Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 20
AR3502.ARE ; region name = Entry Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR3502.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 20
AR3502.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 20
AR3502.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 20
AR3503.ARE ; container name = Sarcophagus ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR3503.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 25 ; trap removal difficulty = 25
AR3503.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 25 ; trap removal difficulty = 25
AR3503.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 25 ; trap removal difficulty = 25
AR3503.ARE ; region name = Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 25 ; trap removal difficulty = 25
AR3601.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 35 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR3602.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 6 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 45
AR3602.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 45
AR3602.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 8 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 45
AR3602.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 45
AR3603.ARE ; region name = Quest Trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR4001.ARE ; container name = Snake Idol ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR4003.ARE ; container name = Pile o' Stuff ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; container name = Presio's Table 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 10 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 11 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 12 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 6 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 8 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Glyph Trap 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Needle Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Needle Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Needle Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Needle Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR4003.ARE ; region name = Needle Trap 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR4004.ARE ; door name = AR4004Door8 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR4004.ARE ; region name = Book$helf ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR4004.ARE ; region name = Carp Carpet ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR4005.ARE ; container name = Chest 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; container name = Chest 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; container name = War Chest 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; container name = War Chest 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; container name = War Chest 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; container name = War Chest 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; door name = AR4005Door7 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Hallway Death Fog Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Penta Confusion 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Penta Confusion 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Penta Paralyze ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Confusion 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Confusion 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Confusion 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Confusion 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 10 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 6 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 8 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Damage 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR4005.ARE ; region name = Poison Needle Paralyze 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR5001.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5001.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 South ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR5001.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 South ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR5001.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 South ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR5002.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5002.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap East 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 60
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap East 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 70
AR5003.ARE ; region name = Trap East 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5101.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5202.ARE ; region name = Monster Traps ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5203.ARE ; region name = Monster Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5301.ARE ; region name = Spawn Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5302.ARE ; region name = Spawn Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5304.ARE ; door name = AR5304Garden1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5304.ARE ; door name = AR5304Water1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5404.ARE ; door name = AR5404Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5404.ARE ; door name = AR5404Door2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR5404.ARE ; door name = AR5404Door3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6002.ARE ; door name = AR6002PuzzleDoorTrigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6004.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 11 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 12 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 16 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 19 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; container name = Container 8 ; trap detection difficulty = 40 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR6005.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6005.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 30
AR6005.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 20 ; trap removal difficulty = 30
AR6006.ARE ; container name = Container 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6006.ARE ; container name = Container 11 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6006.ARE ; container name = Container 12 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6006.ARE ; container name = Container 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6006.ARE ; region name = Destroy Lich ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6006.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 12 ; trap detection difficulty = 60 ; trap removal difficulty = 50
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Disarm A ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Disarm B ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Disarm C ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A10 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A11 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A6 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A7 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A8 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap A9 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B10 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B11 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B6 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B7 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B8 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap B9 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C10 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C11 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C6 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C7 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C8 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6010.ARE ; region name = Trap C9 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR6011.ARE ; region name = Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 50 ; trap removal difficulty = 40
AR7000.ARE ; door name = AR7000Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR7001.ARE ; region name = Entry dialog trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR7002.ARE ; door name = AR7002Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR7005.ARE ; region name = Bridge ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR8001.ARE ; region name = Tower Trap Trigger 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8001.ARE ; region name = Tower Trap Trigger 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8001.ARE ; region name = Tower Trap Trigger 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8001.ARE ; region name = Tower Trap Trigger 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8003.ARE ; region name = Umber Hulk Trap ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8009.ARE ; region name = Eye Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR8009.ARE ; region name = Eye Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR8009.ARE ; region name = Hulk Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8009.ARE ; region name = Hulk Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012Badge6 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR8012.ARE ; door name = AR8012HideMe ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9101.ARE ; region name = Flag Trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9103.ARE ; container name = Container 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 75 ; trap removal difficulty = 75
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Pot 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Pot 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Pot 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Tomb 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Tomb 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Tomb 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Tomb 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 95
AR9400.ARE ; container name = Wylfdene's Tomb ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9500.ARE ; region name = anim ms1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9500.ARE ; region name = anim ms2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9500.ARE ; region name = anim ms3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9500.ARE ; region name = anim ms4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9500.ARE ; region name = FG Encounters ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9501.ARE ; region name = 9501MS2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9501.ARE ; region name = 9501MS3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9502.ARE ; region name = 9502MS1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Door Trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 4 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 5 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 6 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 7 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 8 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9502.ARE ; region name = Trap 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 70 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9600.ARE ; region name = Aggro door guards ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9602.ARE ; container name = Container 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 80 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9603.ARE ; door name = AR9603_Attack_Me ; trap detection difficulty = 100 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 10 ; trap detection difficulty = 80 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 11 ; trap detection difficulty = 80 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 12 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 13 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 14 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 15 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 16 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 17 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 18 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 19 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 20 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 21 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 22 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 23 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 24 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 25 ; trap detection difficulty = 90 ; trap removal difficulty = 90
AR9603.ARE ; region name = Trigger Point 9 ; trap detection difficulty = 80 ; trap removal difficulty = 80
AR9700.ARE ; door name = AR9700_Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9700.ARE ; region name = Duel Trigger 1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9700.ARE ; region name = Duel Trigger 2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9700.ARE ; region name = Duel Trigger 3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9700.ARE ; region name = Hanging Trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9700.ARE ; region name = Illusory Stair Trigger ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9702.ARE ; door name = AR9702_Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9704.ARE ; door name = AR9704_Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_2 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_3 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_4 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_5 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9705.ARE ; container name = Chest_6 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 100
AR9706.ARE ; door name = AR9706_Door1 ; trap detection difficulty = 0 ; trap removal difficulty = 0
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Не всё ими фактически является, так как девелоперы юзают необнаруживаемые и необезвреживаемые ловушки и для других нужд (вроде ремонта моста), но у нормальных ловушек предел 95%, ибо 100% обезвредить нельзя и гнать скилл до 100% бесполезно.

Edited by паладин Воровства, 30 July 2020 - 11:53 AM.

[Senka]

Я на 5-м уровне раскидывала пойнты поровну, а надо было больше в трапы кидать, ибо замки можно и спеллом открыть. Ну вот ща на 6-м сдуалила. Мага сдуалила тоже на 6-м, чтобы звезду получил, при том что еще есть мультик файтер-маг. Может, позже сдуалить? 

онкретное место назови

ToTL. Не, пенальти ни на чем нет, вор в кожанке ходит, но у хумана и бонусов нет, увы. Колечко как в БГ2 тут не предусмотрели ))

Слинг магофайтеру лучше не надо, там ещё и атака меньше. Слинг - удел клиров

Ну, клир у меня тоже дуал, и он мэйсом работает, ибо у слинга дамаг так себе. Это именно пульнуть, пока враги далеко, или в паутине сидят, в вонючем облачке... 

[Kessler]

Я на 5-м уровне раскидывала пойнты поровну, а надо было больше в трапы кидать, ибо замки можно и спеллом открыть. Ну вот ща на 6-м сдуалила. Мага сдуалила тоже на 6-м, чтобы звезду получил, при том что еще есть мультик файтер-маг. Может, позже сдуалить? 

 

ToTL

 

Ну, клир у меня тоже дуал, и он мэйсом работает, ибо у слинга дамаг так себе. Это именно пульнуть, пока враги далеко, или в паутине сидят, в вонючем облачке... 

Тогда понятно. Угу, на 7 половинку атаки дают.

 

Ну, да... там где слаймы, например, точно 95% нужно.

 

Ну, я пришёл к тому, что танку метательный топор, ибо он редко юзает что-то не милишное. Клиру пращу, а двум магам луки - один всегда с луком (есть хороший рандомный с +2 к AC на первом этаже храма забытого бога), а второй по ситуации. Ну и у слингов атак меньше, так как дамаг хороший, благодаря бонусу за силу (а у клира под селфбафом она обычно отличная ), да и в аддоне есть сразу в самом начале слинг на +4 к дамагу или можно взять рандомный и нерандомный слинги против гигантов (по соответствующей расе +5 к дамагу (баг)), ибо таких противников в игре хватает.

Edited by паладин Воровства, 30 July 2020 - 14:43 PM.

[Senka]

есть хороший рандомный с +2 к AC на первом этаже храма забытого бога

Ключевое слово - рандомный ))

Ладно, начнем сначала, благо недалеко ушла, на втором этаже ДА сейчас

Помимо поясочка у мага в Кулдахаре, никаких больше шмоток с плюсом к дизарму нет?

[Kessler]

Ключевое слово - рандомный ))

 

Помимо поясочка у мага в Кулдахаре, никаких больше шмоток с плюсом к дизарму нет?

Мелкие локации вроде первого этажа храма не сложно переиграть пару раз (главное - сейв перед арией иметь).

 

Нет, только дексу гнать. Поушен с перманентной дексой, перчатки, оружие (для вора есть лонгарь и короткий) - всё рандом.

[Senka]

В этот раз с луком повезло А переигрывать для выбивания нужной шмотки из ящика - знаю я эти штучки по Визардрям )))) Несколько десятков раз - сидишь и проклинаешь собственное манчкинство. 

[skarachodas]

В этот раз с луком повезло А переигрывать для выбивания нужной шмотки из ящика - знаю я эти штучки по Визардрям )))) Несколько десятков раз - сидишь и проклинаешь собственное манчкинство. 

Ну да, ну да. А твои с Кессом попытки заминмаксить пати, это совсем не манчкинизм, неа 
 

[Senka]

Ну такое 

Но в ИВД я шмотки из сундуков не выбиваю! И даже кипер не юзаю... 

[Farso]

Я вдруг сообразил, что не смотря на ~ 20 прохождений ни разу не проходил игру в режиме Heart of Fury. Надо исправлять.

Можно вкратце описать чего от него ожидать? В ID2 этот режим предназначен для партий, уже прошедших игру на обычной сложности. Т.е. монстры сильнее минимум на порядок, но экспа рекой и "именные" шмотки заметно усилены.

А что в первом?

Какую партию брать? Планирую мульта воин/вор/маг, мульта воин/клир, дуала воин/маг и дуала воин/друид. Нормально или не очень?

[Senka]

Тройной мультик слишком будет тормозить, как на мой взгляд. А какова цель друида?

[Farso]

Тройной мультик слишком будет тормозить, как на мой взгляд.

 

Вот поэтому мне и надо знать - HoF в первом ID это просто немного усиленные монстры или как в ID2, где они усилены кардинально, типа гоблинов но 100+ хп.

Если второе - то персов изначально буду делать прокачаных.

 

А какова цель друида?

 

Бить, лечить, дебафать.

[Kessler]

Ну да, ну да. А твои с Кессом попытки заминмаксить пати, это совсем не манчкинизм, неа 
 

Ну, я за ролеплей, но с галкой hof и на инсейне... лучше не надо. Метагейминг и манчкинизм онли. Ролеплей для нормала.

Можно вкратце описать чего от него ожидать?

 

А что в первом?

Например включать турналку клиру имеет смысл только с 15 уровня, а до этого она против всех бесполезна.

 

Монстры "на порядок", экспа "рекой", ну а шмотки без изменений, так что метагеймить и манчкинить.

 

Если второе - то персов изначально буду делать прокачаных.

А какой тогда смысл в hof? Там вся суть в превозмогании первоуровневыми. А если высокоуровневыми начинать, то старые помидоры только в профиль. Я вот на перевале четырьмя мелкими файтерами ажно вспотел, а были бы они уровнем повыше, то даже не заметил бы этих гоблинов.

Edited by паладин Воровства, 01 August 2020 - 14:46 PM.

[Senka]

Бить, лечить, дебафать

Чем он лучше клира?

[Farso]

А какой тогда смысл в hof? Там вся суть в превозмогании первоуровневыми.

 

Так, стоп, я не понял. Где конкретно можно почитать точное описание усилений монстров на HoF в первом ID?

Я просто не понимаю как согласовывается "монстры на порядок" и "превозмогать первоуровневыми".

В ID2 прямо написано, что партия желательна не ниже 14 уровня для HoF. 

Там все монстры получают, если мне память не изменяет, тройные хп (плюс бонус от консты сверху), +10 к армору, атаке, урону, спассброскам и т.д. И еще удвоенный (или даже утроенный) дамаг сверху. Один вшивый гоблин положит всю партию первоуровневых "превозмогаторов" и даже не вспотеет. А гоблины по одному не ходят. 

 

 

Чем он лучше клира?

 

Ничем. Но клир уже есть. 

[Senka]

Ничем. Но клир уже есть. 

Тогда, учитывая мультиковость партии, лучше взять дворфа файтера для танкования, мне кажется. Ибо поначалу бить будут сильно, а у мультиков хитпойнтов кот наплакал

[Kessler]

Я просто не понимаю как согласовывается "монстры на порядок" и "превозмогать первоуровневыми".

 

В ID2 прямо написано, что партия желательна не ниже 14 уровня для HoF. 

 

Там все монстры получают, если мне память не изменяет, тройные хп (плюс бонус от консты сверху), +10 к армору, атаке, урону, спассброскам и т.д. И еще удвоенный (или даже утроенный) дамаг сверху.

 

Один вшивый гоблин положит всю партию первоуровневых "превозмогаторов" и даже не вспотеет. А гоблины по одному не ходят.

Нормально согласовывается. Прямо сейчас играю.

 

И здесь 13+ советуют.

 

Здесь тройные хп + 80, бонус к AC = 11, к THAC0 = 5, к спасам = 5, удвоенный дамаг и плюс одна атака, а ну и бонус к уровням в плане турналки точно есть (где без hof хватает 3, там с hof нужно 15).

 

Ты не совсем прав, это зависит от партии. Моим четырём файтерам, конечно, пришлось не очень сладко, но с кастерами будет проще. Искушение пробежать перевал и сразу в Кулдахар было велико... пока будущие кастеры из двух моих файтеров не сдуалились.

Edited by паладин Воровства, 01 August 2020 - 17:21 PM.

[Farso]

Ты не совсем прав, это зависит от партии. Моим четырём файтерам, конечно, пришлось не очень сладко

 

Как 4 файтера 1 уровня (окей, пусть второго за счет квестов в Исихевене) смогли пережить гоблинов на выходе из Истхевена и орков в пещере?

[Kessler]

Как 4 файтера 1 уровня (окей, пусть второго за счет квестов в Исихевене) смогли пережить гоблинов на выходе из Истхевена и орков в пещере?

Изначально 3 файтера и 1 вор (он потом уже в файтера на 4 сдуалился). А ответ - кайт и здоровый сон. Ну и лайфхак - товарищи из пещеры не регенят здоровье. Истхэвен с пещерой - не проблема для маленьких файтеров. Проблема - самое начало перевала, там пока было самое главное сражение в текущем прохождении (сейчас я на втором уровне гробницы Кресселлака). Два танковали, перекрыв тушками мост, два поливали из луков. Все бабки на бутылки лечения ушли, потом становится проще, так как опять можно спокойно спать. А когда кастеры становятся кастерами, то появляется и контроль (колор спрей хорошо заходит, а потом и хоррор с холдом), ну и бафы, а когда клир дорастает до скелетиков - то совсем всё весело становится, так как в отличии от IWD2 саммоны на hof не порезали патчем в ноль, а сделали лишь чуть слабее аналогичных противников и это хороший щит на hof.

[Farso]

Интересно, спасибо.

 

саммоны на hof не порезали патчем в ноль

 

А можно подробнее? Не уверен играл ли я с тем патчем или нет, но вроде на HoF саммонов использовал и они даже неплохо танковали.

 

Но вообще, самый главный полом в ID2 был в Улучшенной Невидимости. Навесил её на файтеров - и пошли они избивать вражин, которые даже не отбегают. В ID1 это так не работает, хотя по описанию должно.

[Kessler]

А можно подробнее? Не уверен играл ли я с тем патчем или нет, но вроде на HoF саммонов использовал и они даже неплохо танковали.

 

Но вообще, самый главный полом в ID2 был в Улучшенной Невидимости. Навесил её на файтеров - и пошли они избивать вражин, которые даже не отбегают.

Это я конкретно об анимейт дэд. До патча 2.01 в IWD2 он саммонил на высоких уровнях очень хороших тварюшек, которые рвали всё живое, но потом его понерфили и прогрессия там где-то на половине пути застывала. Из мастхэва превратился в ничего особенного.

 

Её тоже патчем 2.01 понерфили. А до патча многие строили свои соло прохождения на hof при помощи импрувнутой невидимости и анимейт дэда.

Edited by паладин Воровства, 01 August 2020 - 18:26 PM.

[Kessler]

Упокоил Кресселака:

[skarachodas]

Упокоил Кресселака:

Из бозара или гауссовки ? Это ведь скрин из второго фолла, в который ты сейчас, якобы играешь ? 
 

[Senka]

Какого уровня партия? Хитпойнтов дофига у них.